
BNL Chatter / Archives / Twas the night before....
| JRB | Oct 30th 9:40 pm
' Twas the night before elections So I leave you to think
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| Richard | Oct 30th 9:54 pm
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| Dean | Oct 30th 10:02 pm
Funny….the leader of the ACTUAL Socialist Party was on Colbert the other night and said Obama isn't even close to being a socialist. I uess he would know. |
| Richard | Oct 30th 10:04 pm
When it comes to economics and political ideologies, you're about as sharp as a wet sack of mice, JRB. Reading might do you some good. http://crooksandliars.com/john-amato/mccain-calls-obama-socialist-mccain-vot http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-obama-chicago-socialist,0,4048540.story |
| MiT | Oct 31st 4:18 pm
"you're about as sharp as a wet sack of mice" "Reading might do you some good" ...... Nothing but ridicule again. I just thought it was funny. I'm pretty sure JRB didn't claim to have written it. |
| Richard | Oct 31st 5:13 pm
I thought you didn't tolerate divisiveness, MiT. Make up your mind. This "Obama is a socialist" nonsense needs to stop. Not only is it a complete misunderstanding of both socialism and Obama's policies, but it also promotes the spread of ignorance within the American electoral process. Voting is one of the most patriotic things an American can do and you're tainting it with vitriol. |
| MiT | Oct 31st 8:49 pm
I think it's funny. That's it. As for the Socialism, redistributing wealth is a definite trait of it. I know how much you love discussing slippery slope. :) |
| Richard | Oct 31st 11:52 pm
I think it's funny. That's it. How convenient. As for the Socialism, redistributing wealth is a definite trait of it. Again, it would behoove you to refrain from commenting on subjects you don't understand. Redistribution of wealth is not a trait of socialism. Socialism involves the even distribution of production, not wealth. Wealth is not a factor, because basic needs are provided for by the society. Redistribution of wealth is actually an economic strategy that is meant to stabilize a capitalist economy. It's widely held by economists that pure competition simply could not sustain an economy. The economy would basically collapse on itself. Obama's economic strategy is to further stimulate the economy by putting more of the wealth in the hands of the spenders, which in turn creates more business for everyone. Is this the best strategy for capitalism? I don't know. I've read many arguments for and against it. But it certainly won't change us all into pinko commies, like some here would like to believe. |
| MiT | Nov 1st 12:17 am
I said trait. Socialism is a loose dogma at best. It pertains primarily to production and distribution, and the government's control of such. Profit is part of the product, and if the government seeks to control distribution of THAT as well, it's a trait of socialism.
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| Richard | Nov 1st 12:36 am
Profit is part of the product, and if the government seeks to control distribution of THAT as well, it's a trait of socialism. So what you're saying is that if a socialist government existed that wanted to control the distribution of wealth, the very act of doing so would make said distribution a trait of socialism. Talk about your circular logic. Once again, wealth distribution is not a trait of socialism. Wealth does not concern a socialist. Wealth is useless to a socialist. Capitalism is simply competition. Achieve the education, put in the hard work, and with a little self-discipline, good fortune, and conservative business practice, reap the reward and create direct and indirect opportunity for others. Yes, that is a definition for pure capitalism. But in the real world, pure capitalism has proven to be unsustainable…which is why capitalism requires a governing body to be fruitful. |
| MiT | Nov 1st 12:54 am
I see redistribution of profit as a trait of Socialism. I see profit as a part of the product, and I definitely see profit as a resource. Government controls distribution of a resource, that's a trait of Socialism. I agree that a conservative amount of regulation is needed in some areas as a check to some of the potential side effects of Capitalism. However, if a regulating body becomes too large, it begins to strip the very purpose and advantage of a capitalist economy; unrestricted growth. |
| MiT | Nov 1st 12:56 am
If you still disagree with me, keep in mind that I'm from Okiehoma… the edducashun state. >:) |
| Richard | Nov 3rd 7:01 pm
You're trying to make an argument on a fallacy of composition. Saying A is a trait of B doesn't necessarily make B = C if A is also a trait of C. But I'll tell you what…I think you should call up the Socialist party and tell them they've got it wrong. If that doesn't work, I'll help you try to wake up Lenin and we'll see if we can change his mind. |
| MiT | Nov 5th 1:42 am
Tell them they have it wrong ? It's not "Socialism" that refuses to see what I'm saying. It's Richard. I'm not TRYING to say that B = C. I'm simply trying to show why redistributing profits is a trait of Socialism. Just a trait. Not the say-all-end-all definition by any stretch. The government redistribution of any resource is a trait of Socialism. When Population grows, production must grow. To grow production, one must have more resources. However, redistribution of those resources in order to more efficiently supply different areas of production within society IS a trait of Socialism. |
| Richard | Nov 5th 5:35 am
But what I'm saying is that regardless of what you think of Socialism, redistribution of wealth is not a trait that's specific to any one political ideology. It's a method of economics. No matter what word game you try to play, using redistribution of wealth does not cause a government to lean towards Socialism. A Socialist government can exist without currency all together. It's not "Socialism" that refuses to see what I'm saying. It's Richard. If you've been paying attention, both Dean and I have stated that the Socialist party has denied that Obama's policies equate to Socialism. |